The other side of Olivier Theyskens

    Former designer for Nina Ricci and Rochas, Olivier Theyskens was known as the Gothic Prince. At the 1998 Golden Globes, Madonna show up with his black satin frock coat, and afterwords wore one of his very first dress in her music video, Frozen. From then on, he becomes a supernova in the fashion world.
     Under his design, those models turn into princess with ancient royal spirit, slowly move on the runway. Counting, eye contacting, every step seems to be phenominal. Only few body stretchs are enough to amaze us.
     Too good to be true, his delicate skilling, and one piece and for all look, these make his dress are hard to sell out in these days, when we are all chasing after" easy-to-wear" style. He got fired once after another.

    Quite dissapointed that he couldn't show his latest collection this fashion week.
    But now he produces his semi-autobiography, The Other Side of The Picture, cooperated with photographer Julien Claessens, will be on sale during the fashion week.
    In this special edition book, photographer Julien Claessens looks back at his whirlwind career thus far. Claessens, who was given unprecedented backstage access to Theyskens' fashion shows, beautifully captures the designer's romantic and mysterious oeuvre.

    here's Dazed & Confuzed interview with Olivier Theyskens and Julien Claessens

    Dazed Digital: How did the book with Assouline come about?
    Olivier Theyskens: Julien and I were together at La Cambre. He was in photography and I was in fashion. When I started working he came as a friend to do pictures. He started to have quite a lot of materials. He started to think it could be a project. The project became more balanced and interesting over the years.

    DD: How do you feel when you look back at the book now, at the last 10 years?
    Olivier Theyskens: It’s interesting for me because I know that Julien is not a fashion photographer. His work is very personal to me. It doesn’t look like photo reportage or fashion pictures. I know Julien as an artist photographer and I see the link between his work and this. I can see his sensibility and what attracts him to taking these pictures which personally I really like a lot.
    Julien Claessens: Normally I take portraits. Sometimes architecture. It was amusing for me, an experiment. I like fashion. Olivier never really spoke to me. I can see something that is really near to the approach of Olivier. I don’t know the code of fashion but I understand emotionally what to do with that.

    Olivier Theyskens: At the beginning he was just coming and not taking pictures. Just coming as my friend and going to the show. When he first asked me if he could take photos, I said yes but from the backstage. Not at the front where it is super-crowded. But he found the material he wanted in the mess of the backstage. Julien is transparent in the backstage. If there is someone I would love to disturb me backstage it would have been Julien!
     This book is more than a collaboration. Julien and I have had a parallel evolution. It’s life. It’s a relation that we have that we started together. It’s precious when you have these people who know you. Julien is one of the only people that was there at the beginning and is here now.

    DD: For a young designer from Belgium, you started showing on the Paris catwalks quite early…
    Olivier Theyskens: I did not expect to do a show in Paris that early. Before I had done a collection that was not shown on the Paris catwalk. But it got a very positive response from the press and there was something happening so some of my professional friends told me that I should do a show. That’s why with my friends it was not the time where we would think so quickly to do a show and get that attention.
     It was funny because there was something disproportionate between my existence and the attention I was getting at the time. You can see it on the first page of the book – my interior is very quiet and I’m alone working and it’s my little world and then we would go to Paris and it would be a big mess and all this craziness. Of course I was protected in Brussels.
     In the first photo from the book, I was preparing for S/S 99. I had one seamstress who was coming on weekends and the rest I was doing on my own. At the time I was 20. I was already out of school.
     The collection I made from sheets my grandmother had been collecting over time. They were from the flea markets in Normandy where she was from. What I loved was the idea that you stripped the sheets off the bed and made dresses out of them.
    DD: How did you feel about being labelled as a Gothic designer in the early years?
    Olivier Theyskens: I learnt you cannot do anything about what the press say. For me when I started I could not even explain what was Gothic. What I learnt from being with a brother who was very oriented to artistry and old history, I thought Gothic was very colourful churches! But I understood very quickly. But I was not a specialist at all. In Brussels you have more like street, old reminiscences of punk. But I like the idea of something being fragile and broken.

    DD: What did you think of the hype that grew so quickly?
    Olivier Theyskens: I was very quiet. I was just doing what I was feeling to do. I had a Parisian friend who was helping me with the collection. She was watching TV and saw Madonna and screamed, “It’s Madonna wearing your dress!” (laughs) and I just continued working. I wasn’t really listening to her music. Of course I loved her person and I had a big crush on her when I was a kid but she was very different when she appeared at that moment (‘Ray of Light’) and everybody loved it.

    DD: What was your starting point for each collection?
    Olivier Theyskens: It depends. I like to change my process from collection to collection. But you also have a practical way to work because everything goes by very quick and you have a few people around you. You cannot just work as an artist, you also have to use a practical process and then you have to keep your creativity and integrity through that process.

     DD: And you don’t have a muse in particular?
    Olivier Theyskens: I don’t think about someone in particular. I always figured femininity in my own mind. Already as a kid, I already had that idea – the feeling of femininity, of womanhood. It’s not an exercise for me, it’s something that comes naturally. But I don’t have a muse. People think as a designer, you only do clothes for goddesses. But I have a very realistic thing in mind. I love bodies and proportions so I like to look to the people and get the feeling of the different bodies. As for the women around me sometimes it helps me think about what I don’t want to do! (laughs) I’m not looking to surround myself only with girls who are really fashionable. I don’t need to see girls every day to keep them in mind.

    DD: What is your idea of elegance in a woman?
    Olivier Theyskens: My feeling is I like grace. I think grace is a gift. It’s not something that’s learnt, a lot of time it is someone who is naturally gracious. I remember one of my aunts, I used to feel she was very elegant.

    DD: How did you find the transition from your label to Rochas and Nina Ricci?
    Olivier Theyskens: It has always been very natural. As far as I can remember, I always felt I could work for the spirit of something else. I always loved French fashion and the standing of French fashion. I always thought I would love to do that experience once.

    DD: Nina Ricci and Rochas are famed fashion houses but they were dormant when you took over them, more well known for their perfumes.
    Olivier Theyskens: Yes and that goes well with my mind because I’m excited by more than designing but by something that you have got to build. It’s nice to come to a place where there is almost nothing. It doesn’t make the game more easy, but it’s very interesting for me, I am very entrepreneurial. It stimulates me and also I feel very useful for it. It’s exciting because you start on a white page.
    DD: The shows were always very emotional, especially your last one at Ricci
    Olivier Theyskens: I’m very full of emotions. I like that little bit of emotion. I mean it’s natural for me to look after that. A lot of time I feel the emotion of my world in these pictures Julien has taken than on the catwalk. There is a whole world of mystery and emotions and they look more like my own world than pictures in fashion magazines.
    DD: Tell us about the last collection with the girls in those space-age heels that made them look like aliens
    Olivier Theyskens: The collection was not about making girls look like aliens! (laughs) But I wanted the models to look really tall so it emphasized the silhouette. A lot of my work in the end comes from my drawings and I just draw my collection in that way. I was speaking about moonlight, a nocturnal mood, things of mystery, beauty and it all came out like that.

    DD: Given what happened at Rochas and then Ricci, is there any bitterness?
    Olivier Theyskens: No, no. For me Rochas, I thought maybe I could stay 20 years, it was possible. It was chemical with Rochas. But I have to say with Nina Ricci, I did not get that feeling that strong. I was very inspired so that’s why I did it. I thought that girl could be someone I would design for. But I don’t have any bitterness. That is probably not in my character because whatever happens in life, I am always open to new adventures. Even if I have a big separation with somebody I never feel bitterness.
     I’m very active, I’m never passive. I’m doing a lot of things. I’m not somebody who absolutely needs to draw and create. Hopefully you work in fashion because you have this rhythm. I would not say I am rushing to go back to working for a fashion house. Rushing is not very good. You have to temper yourself a little bit.

    DD: What is the next chapter for Monsieur Theyskens then?
    Olivier Theyskens: Ah that I cannot tell!

    you can pre-order The Other Side of The Picture on Assouline.
    It's promising to be the first biggest fashion event in this year.

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